Therefore, the search process before you come in for a visit, as a visitor, is pretty unpleasant. Jane: And I was going to say, in hindsight would you have taken that job? Explaining his ruling, Lord Burns said that for Coulson to be found guilty it was necessary for the Crown to prove that the allegedly untrue evidence he had given at the 2010 Sheridan trial had been relevant to the issues in it. Coulson Brothers now has the largest capacity on the Muskoka lakes, with five barges capable of transporting any size or weight. I didnt accept the verdict but I certainly accepted its consequences. Jane: So, tell me, what was a typical day at Belmarsh? Andy: Oh yeah, without any shadow of a doubt and thats thanks to her, not me. Jane: Does David Cameron get the silver medal? Andy: Better than the alternative. There were so many different things that were unravelling in my life that I realised that if I tried to deal with them all, I would probably go mad. He hired Dominic Mohan, who was later promoted to editor. "[31] According to Chris Bryant MP, senior officials working with Coulson believed that he had the same clearance level as his predecessor. Journalist and broadcaster Jane Moore asked the questions for Coulsons new podcast series, Crisis What Crisis? And one of the ways of doing that is making sure everyone is wearing the same clothes when they arrive. Because youve not really spoken about that, have you? You have got to make a plan and youve got to focus on the things that youve got control of. If you have a life sentence, if youve murdered someone, you will finish your sentence in a prison like Hollesley Bay. Jane: So how did you find out, or when did you find out that you were being moved? I saw him in January. Beginning the Entrepreneurial Journey. Trusted, high impact counsel, campaigns and crisis management for leaders, from Andy Coulson, Jon Steafel, Susan Adams and team. And before I knew it, because its down underneath the Old Bailey where you get on the bus, you then go up a ramp and it was a gloriously sunny day, July the fourth, ironically enough, Independence Day 2014. Almost from the start of the trial, actually, because the profile of the trial was so high. If thats how he feels, thats how he feels. So, Harvey, Monty, Finn. Jane: In his memoir, David Cameron wrote that he was wrong to insist that you were innocent until proven guilty and that he should have removed you in 2010 until the scandal snowballed. I wasnt released on good behaviour, thats the system. And my parents are grafters, that was always very clear. Hoare speaking on Five Live, Drive, 3 September 2010. Jane: So, when you talk to other people you intro it with crisis stories worth sharing. I quite like the one-in-five theory; that out of five people that you meet, three of them will be indifferent, one will think that youre an absolute superstar and the other one will never want to look you in the face again. Jane: You were acquitted. I was a pretty low profile, it didnt turn out that way, of course, but I was a pretty low-profile editor, at least I tried to be and thats absolutely how I saw the job as well when I went into Number 10. That moment when I spoke to my lawyers from prison. So, youve got inmates there who have been in prison for a very long time. My biggest regret was the decision that I took to have my two oldest sons come and visit me in Belmarsh". The source alleged that Coulson had personally listened to messages obtained through phone hacking. Never mind my resilience and my crisis, the truth of the matter is it was as much a crisis for them and for Ellie as it was for me. Its actually a relatively modern prison but its got, as anyone whos been there, either inside or visiting, will know, this enormous American-style prison wall around its perimeter, and massive gates. [46][47], He was a witness in HM Advocate v Sheridan and Sheridan, where he denied under oath that he had any knowledge of phone hacking at the News of the World, or that he knew Glenn Mulcaire, the private detective at the centre of controversy. And it was over 20 years of my life, Jane, as you know. I love a good book, both fiction and non-fiction. Ex News International chief executive Brooks, former Sun . Coulson married his wife, Eloise, in 2000. I like to think Im a better husband; I like to think Im a better father, a better friend. Andy Coulson, the former Downing Street Communications Director and News of the World editor, has given his first detailed interview about the scandal that ended, in 2014, with a spell in HMP. Jane: So, lets sort of go back in time a bit. So, I got a lot of that. And I thought that was plain wrong and I was livid about it. He added that the case against him had been a "waste of money". I would say I felt anxious right at the start, because its the unknown. But youve never shared your own experience. In 2005, Andy Coulson was the award-winning editor of the News of the World, presiding over a culture of ruthless exploitation. What was that like? Andy: Yeah, I have occasional grey days. And I tried to make the best of it. So when I was taken from the cell, youre then handcuffed and you line up and you wait to get on the bus. But pretty quickly I got my head around it and although we spent a lot of time behind the door there were also periods of time when youre allowed out to exercise, walking around a concrete yard. Jane: OK, and finally you asked this of all your guests, the three crisis cures, if you like, and you know the rules; it cant be a person. [58], Coulson's trial over the phone-hacking claims started in October 2013. Fair enough, really. On 21 November 2014, Coulson was released from prison having served less than five months of his 18-month prison sentence. So even though Id spent eight and a half months in the Old Bailey in a trial, knowing that that was a possibility, sat in a dock for the large part, theres a padded green door on your left that you know goes to the cells and theres the exit on the right, although Id spent all that time wondering am I going to go left or right, when you hear the word guilty you know full well that youre going to be going left. [1] They have three children. Youve got, obviously, a lot of press outside your front door. I think he had people advising him at that stage, obviously. And there are blokes there, for a whole range of reasons, who are trying to make sense of their lives again and who are disconnected from their families. Actually, the most common refrain was Its not like the House of Commons, is it Andy? Not that I was ever an MP. Were going to put you to work. Which it was. I can tell you that Belmarsh is not a holiday camp by any measure. [52], On 24 July 2012, Coulson was charged along with seven others for "conspiring to intercept communications without lawful authority from 3 October 2000 to 9 August 2006. Because the truth is, for the nearly year that I was there, I loved it, Jane. And Eloise, who is a considerably more evolved human being than I am, knew that long before I did and shes trained me well in that regard. Jane: Between the jury verdicts at your trial, David issued an apology for hiring you and said it was wrong. Andrew Edward Coulson (born 21 January 1968) is an English journalist and political strategist. Jane: I wanted to point out before we really get started that its not really an interview about why you ended up in prison, because obviously the details of the trial can be Googled. The way I choose to deal with it and the way Ive chosen to deal with it is be positive and go and build a business and employ some brilliant people, which I now do and go and work with a fantastic set of clients, which I do. I know Harvey was, what, 14? In this first episode of the second series, Andy puts himself on the other side of the microphone and talks to journalist and broadcaster Jane Moore about his five-year crisis. Andy: Well its a mixture of things, I think, as it is for most people. And that was partly necessary, just from a practical point of view, but it was also definitely a coping mechanism as well. And I was able, very quickly totally different approach, totally different kind of attitude, the governor there, his view was, weve got you for a while and were going to make the most of it. Its a wine called Chateau Musar and its from the Lebanon and I chose it because it is really tasty and also because it is liquid proof that there is good to come from crisis, given where this wine is made. So I rang him and we had a conversation and that led me to say: Look, youve got plenty of friends in your life, you dont need any more friends, thats not what this is about, but if this is going to work we do need to be straight with each other with what you are trying to do here. I was pretty unhappy about being put through a public enquiry on television before I got to trial. Which do you think it was? There are very, very few of them that I continue to feel any sort of disappointment about, because people have got their own lives and you see that very quickly. Some of them not even necessarily related to the stuff weve been talking about here, its just life. [43] Sean Hoare, showbusiness reporter at News of the World during Coulson's reign speaking on Five Live, who accused Coulson of lying, has said that indeed Coulson did not ask him to phone hack but veiled his request in "metaphorical language" and asked him to practise his "dark arts". I had no complaint about it. That doesnt mean that Im pleased it happened, Im not. How can I be the Director of Communications in Downing Street when Im on the front pages? And so invariably youre stood behind another prisoner as he makes his call and the amount of times that that prisoner would then turn away from the phone with tears streaming down his face was frequent. Andy Coulson (Andrew Edward Coulson) was born on 21 January, 1968, is a Journalist, newspaper editor. And there was clearly a view inside Number 10 that, the moment a guilty verdict came, we need to get out and start talking and I think that was a bad decision. But that didnt happen and we stayed together and yes, the simple answer to that question, are we stronger as a result? Former spin doctor Andy Coulson appears in court alongside Rebekah Brooks and three others charged over corrupt payments to officials. [18] On 3 June 2015, he was cleared of those perjury charges, since, if he had lied, it would not have been relevant to the outcome. [14] On 30 June 2014, it was announced that he would face a retrial over two counts of conspiring to cause misconduct in public office in relation to the alleged purchase of confidential royal phone directories in 2005 from a palace police officer after the jury in the original trial was unable to reach a verdict on them. Andy: Their choice really. And Ive got to be honest with you, I think that is a change in me because as a newspaper editor, particularly, you are very judgemental. [1][65], English journalist and political strategist, Conservative Party communications director, Downing Street Director of Communications. [1] He follows Tottenham Hotspur. And the other, in the same way as I have just said that I got enormous enjoyment from the political job, there is also a danger that because my newspaper career ended so badly, that you, sort of, chuck out all the good stuff there. It takes you nowhere. Andy: Well, we did talk about it and wed already talked about it. Jane: Obviously, your boys came to see you there and you tried to keep it as jolly and normal as possible, but when they left that must have been hard. Jane: I wanted to talk about Eloise now. So, in this episode Ill be asking the questions in an attempt to unravel Andys five years of crisis. Reading has been very important through my crisis. And that was corrosive. That was a good moment for us because we were then very clear that this was not about me becoming chums, this was about me being a professional advisor to him and him taking that advice seriously and the relationship on that basis went forward. Andy: No, no, I had a bit of sarcasm, quite understandably really, a bit of joshing. Do you feel the need to sometimes wear that like a badge, to own it in certain situations? I wanted to hear what they were up to and they got on with it, theyve been incredible throughout. I was working with people from another party and we all made that work really well. Coulson had served as the editor of News of the World from 2003 to 2007, when he Read More Andy Coulson IBM z Specialist at IBM Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom 2K followers 500+ connections Join to connect IBM University of Wales, Cardiff About IBM Mainframe Systems and Security. Coulson was name-checked by Alan Partridge (Steve Coogan) in an episode of This Time with Alan Partridge (Series 02, Episode 02) during an introduction to a segment about law and order. Take control of what you actually have control over and, of course, the main thing that you have control over is your own mind-set and your own attitude. Series 2. If resilience is genetic then I think Ive definitely benefitted in that regard. I had proper moments of depression, without a shadow of a doubt, but I found ways of dealing with that and also I got a lot of help. [19], Coulson grew up in Wickford, Essex. And it is all about cues and nudges that push you in a certain direction and I just try and avoid those. I left and David didnt want me to go. Andy: My sentence, having been found guilty of the crime, was probably about right. Theres a door that youre going to go through. And keep the smile on my face and move myself and my family forward every day, which is exactly what we do, its exactly our attitude. Andy Coulson is Founder of www.coulsonpartners.com and host of www.crisiswhatcrisis.com. Former News of the World editor Rebekah Brooks had an affair with former News of the World editor Andy Coulsonboth of whom are pasty, married to other people, and currently on trial for. I dont know how long you can give it but I want you to stay and be in Downing Street with me, which was, I have to say, enormously flattering. I didnt know what was going to happen and I didnt know what I was going to find. Andy: I dont know the answer to that. The court felt that they could deal with it so thats where that ended. [23], In 2008 an employment tribunal upheld a claim of bullying by Coulson whilst he was at the News of The World. Andy: Well, just the checking-in process because Id obviously tried to do some research beforehand. Dont try and solve it all. The main thing for me is that bitterness bullet, youve just got to keep dodging it, because bitterness really does send you only one way, it will only ever send you backwards. [48], However, the Crown Prosecution Service said in December 2010 that it had determined that there was insufficient evidence to charge Coulson over allegations that he was aware of phone-hacking at the publication. Andy: Well because Belmarsh is a high-security prison for a reason. That Id go from one to the other in custody, if you like. Browse 1,448 andy coulson stock photos and images available, or start a new search to explore more stock photos and images. Andy: There were a lot of politics in it. I found myself, very quickly, saying things in my own head that I had been saying to members of the cabinet not that long before, albeit them facing different crises, the principles were the same. Andy: Youve got a window next to you and I just sort of turned my back. Long before, in truth. Andy: I dont know about that, but when I went to work for David, funnily enough the whole friendship thing came up quite quickly because not long after Id started to work for him there was a moment when I picked up the newspaper on a Saturday morning and I was learning things that I didnt know about what David was going to do with regards to a trip, I think it was. One of the principles of prison is that everyone has to be on the same level. Six former members of staff from the now defunct. Youre a state-school-educated Essex lad. 59 records for Andy Coulson. And then youre off and youre into the admission process which, again, is not especially pleasant, I have to say. Some people said that you deserved everything you got by going to prison and others, I think when you were talking to Richard Bacon in a previous podcast, he said that your sentence was very harsh. Nobody there wanted me to go. They used to say about the News of the World, the old marketing slogan for the News of the World was all human life is here and thats true of Dickens. No one knew that at that stage. Thats the key; youve got to get the right therapist and not all therapists are right for all people. Andy: On the morning that I knew I was going to prison, I went to the back of my garden (I live out in the country), I went over the fence and into a field and then eventually I arranged for a local cab. And suddenly youre sat in one of them. It taught me that I consider myself to be a reasonably good friend but I think I could have been better, so I think it taught me to be a better friend. Youve got to accept it, your good decisions and your bad decisions, and you have just got to move forward so trying to unpick in the past ask me from the point of a mental health issue, if you like, without doubt the most damaging, corrosive thing, is that reliving the past. 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