[Kanarek realizes something is wrong but whiffs by making too many objections and making them in the wrong order. document.write(part3 + ''); The trial ? Stuff that made her look like everything from a slag to a thief to a patient suffering from some form of mental illness to an unfit Mum to a junkie stealing from her Dad. Pat, in Guinn's book, presents herself as not wanting the murders to happen, going so far as to say that the following night at Waverley, before anthing happened with Rosemary, she prayed to God, asking him to make the murders stop and since she went ahead and exercised her own free will in participating in carnage and mutilation and God didn't strike her down and stop her, Leslie or Tex, she's not believed in God since that night.And she has a problem with Linda presenting herself as not being a willing participant.As a side issue, if Linda hadn't been at the car when they arrived at it after Cielo's action, would they have just driven off and left her ? Sympathy is something that just doesn't make sense to me. Did both sides not do that quite a lot though ? Yes, if you stop at the Grand Jury he has no case against Kasabian as it's inadmissible and/or it was all he had. I don't read her responding, "no, its ok I'll testify anyway". You can correct me on that one. Manson announced that it was time for Helter Skelter, the inevitable race war after which he and his followers would take control of America. Atkins herself made that point in "The Myth" Furthermore, Charlie was never charged with attempted murder for any of the other incidents on LaBianca night. But what happened before and after that. St Circumstance saidOk- Ill be devils advocate. Where does light fusion into anything with Linda?As far as I'm concerned, every human being has something about them that is positive while at the same time being a container of darkness, regardless of the degree. I have read the trial transcripts, I know that site. Could Watson Have Conspired With Suzan LaBerge??? And there are events that logically it seems she had to see that she says she didn't. Nothing devious. Fleischmann's words are logical. Her mother, Joyce, remarried too; however, Linda did not get along well with her stepfather Jake Byrd, who according to her treated her mother and herself badly. Do I mean the jury should disregard it? In August 1969, she was instructed by Charles Manson to carry a knife, a change of clothing, and her drivers license and drive the family members Charles Tex Watson, Susan Atkins, and Patricia Krenwinkel to 10050 Cielo Drive, the residence of famous director Roman Polanski and his eight-months-pregnant wife, Sharon Tate. Bugliosi said that was the ONLY reason she was "picked". AND the Donald Trump (avoiding the Vietnam WAR) issue is the perfect subject to begin the discussion.IT should lead us directly to LBJ (a loving father to HIS children and a Natural Born KILLER to many of us). Charlie has opened a slight window on why Tex was picked, George on the others. Kids who got in trouble in school and did not finish high school- and most of them don't go on to become murderers. She was the key witness in District Attorney Vincent Bugliosi's prosecution of Manson and his followers for the Tate-LaBianca murders. Groups like the Revolutionary Youth Movement- Weather Underground and precursors to the SLA like those in the Revolutionary Union who support the strategy of urban warfare espoused by people like H Bruce Franklin and the leadership of Venceramos (sp?) YOu can say she is certainly flawed, self-destructive, has terrible judgement and suchbut applying terms like good and bad just distorts any understanding of the whole shebang. That's not the way I use it at all. No screaming for it to stop, etc. That is exactly what Leslie Van Houton was charged and CONVICTED for.One intelligent Prosecutor, One competent Defense Attorney, One Judicially savy Judge and WHO really cares what a bunch of "moon rocks" THINK - it was a "robbery. Who Is Linda Kasabian? To cover up that that tried, but failed to kill some other guy or.to keep Straight Satans out of it? Indeed, Tex has cleared Susan of stabbing Sharon Tate, while Pat cleared up the mystery of who carved WAR on Leno LaBianca and Tex has subsequently revealed he coerced Leslie into doing "something" {which is not to in any way diminish her responsibility}.But nothing regarding Linda, except the penalty phase debacle which all the main players have since admitted was lies and rubbish. Therefore, as far as I can see, the description of Linda as a hippy, as was understood by those not in sympatico with any countercultural thought, is pretty accurate. These weren't and aren't good people. To me it seems that whatever Pat and Tex thought they were killing people for- would be the motivation or motive for the crime by definition.Even if they realize they were duped later. The involvement of Susan and Gypsy in the Shorty affair has come to light too. !we don't need her kids,either! I did not mean to offend and apoligise if I didYou didn't offend at all.I'll stop now. She was one of the earliest to actually begin the process of putting flesh on Skelter's bones. Go figure that one out.NOW, thank God, the whole issue of heroes, sacrifice and cowards is finally coming out of the closet. Manson Blog Considers the Brotherhood of Eternal Love Connection to TLB. Yes, it is common for lawyers to try to project a favorable image of their witnesses, especially a witness as 'key' to the case as Kasabian. You'd do it if you were a lawyer ! Same with Shea. ME thinks there might be a REAL story there. She worked as a cook and returned to Los Angeles a number of times to testify against Tex Watson and Leslie Van Houten in their separate trials. He said he surmised it was the reason. Oh and I don't think the events are clear long before Jay Sebring is shot. var part3 = "Matt at Mansonblog dot com"; (One) - wallet - brown plastic with misc. It's not like he was shooting in the dark. That matters to me, They have a need for HS to be wrong. I am not heartless. It really does bear examination. And let's take it a step further - let's only have sympathy for the good looking, and also for those making 100K.Saint, my ass. However, she purposely knocked on the wrong door due to which the mission was aborted. The problem of course is that Bugliosi does not want that answer. Ask yourself: if her story is not accurate why didn't she just tell the truth? St Circumstance saidMaybe the pity you have for Linda- who walked away free (That She blew it is her own fault)- would be better served to the people affected by what she helped do?? Strike 1! I don't like what Hitler did or represents in the wider scheme of things but I can see the good side he had in terms of helping Germany back from it's collective knees after what happened with Versailles. Many people came into the family and many left. Her testimony eventually led to their conviction. Dreath saidWhen you get to the heart of it, it is Bugliosi who says the motive was HS (+ megalomania+ anti-social hatred of the establishment+ lust for murderIt starts as being the other way around, HS being last on the list. If, however, Atkins testifies he is in the same position he was with Kasabian testifying and, yes, he still needs corroboration but I wasn't going to try to 'try' that case here. "That Bugliosi doesn't speak contemptuously about her should always be balanced by the fact that in commenting on her life at the time, what he says is often negative. If she just forgot it at home, I suspect it would be mentioned as having "No license" or "without".Oh and $150,000 sold confession, book deal and promise of immunity from the gas chamber is a sell out move. That gave me an insight that Bugliosi & Gentry's book doesn't even hint at, though it initially inspired it. That is o.k. I still thought I read something somewhere that Krenwinkel said it at a parole hearing or something. Pat never admitted to it though it was in her thought process, just not as the specific reason for being at Cielo. I've also seem Clinton supporters attack elderly people with their fists for having a Trump hat. And what of the guy that prosecuted them ? ?Then she walks and spends the rest of her live breaking the law and partying wit her own child who she breaks laws with.Human side? Besides, counsellor, J. Edgar Hoover head your the FBI agrees with me. You are all welcome. people who assert their opinions as biblical truths.I am not picking on him, but just by way of example, Saint said."The real Losers in this entire sage are the victims and their families".First of all, no offense but that is a "duh" statement to the point of being a cliche.Second, it is said that you can't compare pain any more than you can compare love. It was through Charles Melton that she came into contact with Catherine Gypsy Share, a member of Manson family. And she said, "It's too late." Reporters ask someone who is being arrested for murder to say something to which she replies "I don't care if the whole world comes down, I'm not talking." So even if Kasabian was a Hippy, when pared down to essentials, Hippiedom was hardly presented as an advert for something wholesome. But I do think that atmosphere at the time contributed to the events. But I'd force myself to read them just in case I missed something.And I still did ! I do agree that some things are unclear even prior to Sebring being shot {such as exactly when the women were told that murder was on the agenda that night and how long they had to process this info}. ID of S.E. Before I graduated my draft lottery number was 289. There would have been no need to stab Rosemary LaBianca so many times. She droved straight to New Mexico, where her husband was living with another woman. There is no one inside. Do I give weight to what anyone says after they were convicted: Not much. She got lucky Atkins folded, leaving her the only game in town and she skated. Eventually, she. "It's a different world and it's not even the same ocean." I should have found a way and not gone over the fence and run down the hill. Life With The Manson Family Los Angeles Public Library The Manson compound on Spahn Ranch. That's hardly her doing. But you know, there may well be someone in this world that could say the same about any one of us. One either believes it or one doesn't. That's what I mean by not telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. In his testimony Clem part corroborated Linda's account and Susan part did to both Richard Caballero and the Grand jury and then later when she was writing her books.and yet, when one looks at where that apartment was, it seems like another kill two birds with one stone job. Linda got her justice in another manner that's all lolThe real Losers in the entire saga are the victims and their families. Manson Blog Proves the Updated Manson File is Fiction! 'Now is the time for HS' only works if you have three parts: (1.) So you are relying on two witnesses that are diametrically opposed as to this event. There is simply no hard and fast rule for this. Reading through the court transcripts, what is often presented in HS as a dramatic moment is actually quite tame. LolI thought you sent me there for the motive bit. What appeared peaceful at first to Linda Kasabian turned violent. No big deal. IF I was one of the defense attorneys, I would have asked Linda and most other Prosecution witnesses:1) I'm a little confused and maybe you can help us ALL understand this Helter Skelter business a little better. Linda Kasahbian supports herself on welfare,for having illegal kids the state has to support---we need less Linda Kasabians!! Of course, I never thought she was an innocent flower child, like VB made her out to be, but he needed her as a witness. The ones who actually did it and had to pay for it all say the same thing. Clear and simple, murder. I did not mean to offend and apoligise if I did.You said: Do you mean by the jury ?Do you feel Judge Older was somewhat derelict in his duty by letting so many leading questions go through ?You know I swore I wasnt going to do this. "I don't like what Hitler did or represents in the wider scheme of things but I can see the good side he had in terms of helping Germany back from it's collective knees after what happened with Versailles. 'Best at the backhand slash' might not have sold well to the jury. In late June of 1969, she attempted a reconciliation with. But what happened before and after that. Now that is a great question and I decline to answer on grounds I might further incriminate myself. Later, in an effort to give their marriage another chance, she joined Robert Kasabian in Hippie Hangouts of Topanga Canyon, Los Angeles, California where he was friends with Charles Blackbeard Melton. So WHY go the distance. "Also as stated somewhere earlier, it didn't need some bogus story about a Lebanese actor to cover any Linda murder mania, not when 2 of the murderers had previously told police and other witnesses that she hadn't killed anyone.Given that no one was charged with even the attempted murder of or conspiracy to murder Saladin Nader, one might have to conclude you're chucking exhibits from that box of red herrings again Vincent Bugliosi said the only reason Linda went along on those two nights, is because she was the only one out of the group with a valid driver's license. "I am here because I wanted to tell the truth. I wonder if he and Fleischmann were on friendly terms.. Saint, If you are referring to that post above, I think that is entirely consistent with HS. PS: according to her cross examination at the Watson trial she was also arrested in Haight-Ashbury in 1967. Dreath saidIf you really want my opinion- to me it confirms she had no intention of testifyingAnd yet, she did testify.I agree with you to an extent. In fact, his case is better against her then Van Houten at that point. var part1 = "david"; What she said about Leslie was dynamite. Drugs, broken home sense of abandonment by her parents. Manson wasn't talking. Uh oh, not being a 'motive guy' I best stay out of this. Kasabian Thought for the Day: If Watson is attacking Voytek.."And while this was going on, the man had gotten up, and I saw Tex on top of him, hitting him on the head and stabbing him, and the man was struggling,"And Krenwinkel is chasing Abigail"then I saw Katie in the background with the girl, chasing after her with an upraised knife,"And this is was happening thirty feet outside the door.. "And then Sadie came running out of the house, and I said, "Sadie, please make it stop." How do we know she didn't take part in some act of violence?However, when you go on to say but to the jury back in 1969, it was. Her testimony was considered to be the most dramatic segment of the very long trial, and it received an unprecedented amount of news media coverage. Now, when you say the middle of the night do you mean 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning or do you mean midnight? Apprently asking why was out of line and a sin. "Journey into Darkness" is a good start. lol- it gets easier he had to teach me too :), St Circumstance saidBugs was never going to use Linda if Susan hadn't flipped on her decision to cooperateWell, he had no use for Linda as long as there was Susan. Her father, Rosaire, was a construction worker and the family faced financial difficulties. I certainly wouldn't rely on it for back up proving Linda to be dodgy. No one else remembers when Frykowski was shot but Tex says he did it on the porch. Millie McCormack. Its Ok to see things differently Grim.You make alot of eloquent points bud. For example where Manson Mythos said:while he [Charlie] is no angel, I don't think he is all bad.So he does have redeeming qualities and a good side as well I agree with him there. Kasabian was a 20-year-old hippy with a 16-month daughter in July 1969 when she met members of Manson's Family and was asked to join their commune at a dilapidated ranch known as Spahn's. In 1996, along with her daughter, she was arrested for drugs and gun possession. She married twice and had a baby girl, Tanya, with her second husband, Robert Kasabian. Memory is sometimes very specific and other times more general and at other times, not at all. She was the angel in a group of murderous devilsWhen it came to killing, she was, different. 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